tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9661811.post1097146558019822226..comments2024-02-18T12:18:45.788-05:00Comments on Sun and Shield: False Witness, Lying, Deceit, etc.Martin LaBarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14629053725732957599noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9661811.post-48487047928269191922022-04-23T10:34:49.874-04:002022-04-23T10:34:49.874-04:00Besides the 10 Commandments, The Bible includes th...Besides the 10 Commandments, The Bible includes this passage:<br />Leviticus 19:11 “‘You shall not steal. “‘You shall not lie. “‘You shall not deceive one another. <br />35 “‘You shall do no unrighteousness in judgment, in measures of length, of weight, or of quantity. 19:36 You shall have just balances, just weights, a just ephah, and a just hin. [A hin was a measure of liquid.]Martin LaBarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14629053725732957599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9661811.post-84106789506869563052006-12-03T12:49:00.000-05:002006-12-03T12:49:00.000-05:00That's what 1 Samuel, which I referred to, reads l...That's what 1 Samuel, which I referred to, reads like.<br /><br />Thanks.Martin LaBarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14629053725732957599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9661811.post-46199969013138398372006-12-03T07:50:00.000-05:002006-12-03T07:50:00.000-05:00Weekend Fisher is giving a common view, but it's o...Weekend Fisher is giving a common view, but it's one that doesn't stand up in all the cases. For instance, God flat-out commands Samuel to lie on the occasion of the anointing of David.Jeremy Piercehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03441308872350317672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9661811.post-90025989517797302772006-11-25T03:44:00.000-05:002006-11-25T03:44:00.000-05:00Thanks, Weekend Fisher. I think you are right.
I ...Thanks, Weekend Fisher. I think you are right.<br /><br />I believe that this involves the doctrine of "double effect," wherein you try to do A, and, in order to achieve A, you have to do B. Your purpose isn't B, but you can't get to A without doing it. For example, Samson killed himself. That was not his purpose -- his purpose was to kill as many Philistines as possible, but he had to kill himself in the process. Therefore, he shouldn't be condemned for committing suicide.<br /><br />I think such arguments have merit, but I also think we have to be very careful that we aren't self-deceived.<br /><br />The most important question is "what is my motive?" I don't think lying is ever approved if the motive is to hurt someone else, or to advance ourselves.Martin LaBarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14629053725732957599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9661811.post-63227767294491208012006-11-24T23:45:00.000-05:002006-11-24T23:45:00.000-05:00In some of these cases, the text does not seem to ...In some of these cases, the text does not seem to indicate that it was the lying per se that God condoned. In the case of the midwives and of Rahab, it seems to be either protecting someone's life or showing faith that God condoned. That our righteous acts are like filthy rags was never in question.Weekend Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10425001168670801073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9661811.post-53747622387460776512006-11-24T05:23:00.000-05:002006-11-24T05:23:00.000-05:00Thanks. I think you are correct about the burden o...Thanks. I think you are correct about the burden of proof. See also my subsequent post, giving scriptural reasons why lying is wrong, at least usually.Martin LaBarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14629053725732957599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9661811.post-77027964685161949842006-11-23T20:44:00.000-05:002006-11-23T20:44:00.000-05:00I'm in general agreement on all this. I posted on ...I'm in general agreement on all this. I <a href="http://parablemania.ektopos.com/archives/2004/08/lying.html">posted on it myself</a> a couple years ago. I do think it's worth saying that the burden of proof is always on the person who will engage in deceit, since it almost always is wrong. But I think you said enough to allow for that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com