tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9661811.post658507017543621192..comments2024-02-18T12:18:45.788-05:00Comments on Sun and Shield: Barack Obama is the antichrist?Martin LaBarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14629053725732957599noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9661811.post-70117590714543135312008-11-18T06:26:00.000-05:002008-11-18T06:26:00.000-05:00Nov 18, 2008: Thanks again, Mr. G.Who knows why so...Nov 18, 2008: Thanks again, Mr. G.<BR/><BR/>Who knows why someone would say things like this?<BR/><BR/>There are Old Testament prohibitions against consulting mediums. I don't know of any in the New Testament, but, on the other hand, I don't think it's smart to do so. But, as I said in my post, quoting the book of Revelation, there <I>is</I> a warning about adding to that book, and I think the e-mail I quoted is an example of that. I am afraid there have been a lot of other cases of that, before Obama (or I) was ever born, but it's up to God to judge these things, not me.Martin LaBarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14629053725732957599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9661811.post-52382536261838001772008-11-18T06:10:00.000-05:002008-11-18T06:10:00.000-05:00You know, as I was thinking about this whole "Obam...You know, as I was thinking about this whole "Obama as the anti-christ" thing, I was wondering about a couple of things.<BR/><BR/>1) Just how many things does he have to fail to get through before he's disqualified from being the anti-christ?<BR/><BR/>2) The Republicans who claim that he's the anti-christ do so on the basis of him being so charismatic and persuasive. But had their own candidate been charismatic and persuasive, would they have had the same worries about him or her?<BR/><BR/>3) (And this, to me, is the biggie) Aren't both Christians and Jews prohibited from consulting oracles and the like? And if so, isn't the way people have treated (or rather, mistreated) Revelation for centuries tantamount to consulting an oracle?<BR/>oraclesMr Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17397233594699904878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9661811.post-50941280143633265212008-11-16T05:20:00.000-05:002008-11-16T05:20:00.000-05:00Nov 16, 2008: Thanks, mr g.I think you are correct...Nov 16, 2008: Thanks, mr g.<BR/><BR/>I think you are correct on pro-choice, or at least I hope so -- I hope that there is no politician who is in favor of wholesale abortion in all circumstances, such as "because it's a Tuesday."<BR/><BR/>However, there are a lot of evangelical Christians (and others, including Catholics) who have convinced themselves that overturning <I>Roe v. Wade</I> is the most important issue in all elections, or, in some cases, the <I>only</I> issue that should be paid attention to. I'm not sure of that, myself. I may set forth my reasons in a future post.Martin LaBarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14629053725732957599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9661811.post-13229657438114835912008-11-15T18:11:00.000-05:002008-11-15T18:11:00.000-05:00I came here because one of my wife's co-workers sa...I came here because one of my wife's co-workers said that she was certain that President-Elect Obama will solve the current financial crisis because he's the anti-christ, and I just gave one of those "Charlie Brown sighs" that says "what an idiot this person is."<BR/><BR/>I was looking for a list of other politicians who've been pegged as being the anti-christ by people who only had a cursory knowledge of what's in Revelation, who wrote it, the circumstances under which it was written, and most important, the fact that <B>quite a few early church fathers didn't want it included in the canon because of how easily some dipstick could misinterpret it in just the ways I'm seeing it done here.</B><BR/><BR/>Well, I found my list, for which I am incredibly grateful, but I saw one other thing here that bothers me, and that I'm going to take the time to try to straighten out.<BR/><BR/>Lee stated that it is clear that Obama is not pro-life, etc, etc. Let me now state that just because a person is pro-choice doesn't mean that they're pro-abortion. I, and a lot of "pro-choice" people would like to see the number of abortions go down to zero. However, I'm also old enough to remember the old laws. Laws that meant that people with enough money could go somewhere else, and those who didn't might die from a backalley or "coathanger" job. Abortions were still done.<BR/><BR/>I don't think there's a single politican out there who believes that a woman should be able to have an abortion just because it's a Tuesday and she feels like it. I think that most people are what I would call "pro-choice with a heavy heart," which is actually a misstating of the original "pro-<B>life</B> with a heavy heart," but both of which mean the same thing. They mean that in a perfect world (which this is not), they could say "no." But this isn't a perfect world. 12yo girls get raped, mothers lives are endangered by a new pregnancy, and there are difficult choices to be made all around. Choices where there is no perfect answer.<BR/><BR/>When you consider the different views among devout <B>Christians</B> as to when life begins (check out when twinning happens), and then consider the Jewish view of when a person becomes a living soul (while also checking out the fact that "ruach" means both "breath" and "soul" in Hebrew, and you'll see why Obama wisely said that the decision about when life begins is above his pay grade. You may see it as a political dance step.<BR/><BR/>Quite frankly, the question as to when life begins is above my pay grade too, but I prefer to err on the side of caution.<BR/><BR/>I also think, though, that in the past 40 years we've made it so that fewer people feel a need to have an abortion because the social stigma of an unwed pregnancy has pretty much gone away. A social stigma which, by the way, was placed by nice church-going people - the very people that many feel are part of the pro-life movement. Sort of ironic that girls felt a pressure to have an abortion so that people wouldn't wag their tongues about them in church.<BR/><BR/>Again, let me say that pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion. By the same token, let me annoy some of my friends at the other extreme from Lee by saying that pro-life doesn't mean that they only care about the baby in the abstract, and wouldn't want to assume responsibility for it themselves.<BR/><BR/>I'll say it again; <B>all</B> want to decrease the number of abortions. But dividing us into extreme camps of pro-choice and pro-life doesn't help that. Especially when most people are in what's called the "messy middle" and have no time for the rhetoric that comes from both of the extreme camps. Lose the self-righteous rhetoric, realize that you're not going to get a perfect solution, and let's all work together to get the numbers down.<BR/><BR/>I've done my part. How? By telling my 15yo daughter that if she ever gets pregnant, and I hope she doesn't until she's much older, that I want to see my grandchildren.<BR/><BR/>Again, thanks for the great list of other anti-christ candidates.Mr Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17397233594699904878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9661811.post-48948019780982874692008-11-13T05:10:00.000-05:002008-11-13T05:10:00.000-05:00Thanks, GraceHead. Perhaps that's the way it will ...Thanks, GraceHead. Perhaps that's the way it will be.Martin LaBarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14629053725732957599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9661811.post-22620485667183427822008-11-12T10:47:00.000-05:002008-11-12T10:47:00.000-05:00LINK where God spoke concerning the mark of the be...<A HREF="http://trumpetcallofgodonline.com/index.php5?title=Seek_First_Your_Own_Salvation%2C_Think_Not_of_Outwardly_Things_of_Evil..._Evil_Has_Lost_Its_Grip_on_The_Redeemed" REL="nofollow">LINK</A> where God spoke concerning the mark of the beast on 7/7/05, through someone gifted with prophecy.GraceHeadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16511471036658708352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9661811.post-82396529277243385102008-11-12T05:16:00.000-05:002008-11-12T05:16:00.000-05:00Nov 12, 2008: Thanks, Barbara. I don't think that ...Nov 12, 2008: Thanks, Barbara. I don't think that even President Bush has gone, or will go, that far, yet, or there would have been a pretty big stink about it. Maybe someone will sometime.<BR/><BR/>There are references to marks in Ezekiel, too.<BR/><BR/>In Revelation, whatever the mark is, it is usually, or always, associated with <I>worship</I> of the beast (or, with the other mark, whatever it is, of Christ). That seems to me to be the central issue.<BR/><BR/>I've heard social security numbers called the mark, and there have been suggestions to implant a chip for commercial purposes, for purposes, supposedly, of deducting an appropriate amount from your bank account when you leave the store, without having to go through checkout. They all scare me a little, I guess. Perhaps something like this will be that mark.Martin LaBarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14629053725732957599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9661811.post-32679770122383145192008-11-11T20:29:00.000-05:002008-11-11T20:29:00.000-05:00Martin, my King James Version bible doesn't mentio...Martin, my King James Version bible doesn't mention that quote either.<BR/><BR/>You might want to consider Revelation 13:15.And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast should both speak and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.16.And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:17.And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."<BR/><BR/>The reason I bring this up, is I had read in the summer that Bush was planning on implementing a way to keep track of the population to combat terrorism on American soil by inserting metal transplants just under the skin. If someone didn't have one of those transplants then they were not people who belonged to the U.S.. In combination with having a number imbedded in the transplant, the citizen would be able to do all their banking transactions just like a debit card. Spooky stuff to control people like that.Barbara Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00610140328527165017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9661811.post-66500949402387490682008-11-08T06:15:00.000-05:002008-11-08T06:15:00.000-05:00Nov 8, 2008. Thanks, Lee.Yes, Obama was elected. I...Nov 8, 2008. Thanks, Lee.<BR/><BR/>Yes, Obama was elected. I imagine that much of the swooning will be over by, say, April, when various kinds of reality kick in. (And I am praying for Mr. Obama. He surely needs it, as does the outgoing President.)<BR/><BR/>I can't remember for certain, but suspect that Presidents Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Reagan and Kennedy might have used similar language about world citizens. There was considerable swooning by other nations over Kennedy.<BR/><BR/>As to "clearly going to be the revived roman empire," maybe. This (and a lot of other stuff) are not clear to me, and there is disagreement among Bible scholars about who or what the first beast is or will be.<BR/><BR/>Revelation seems to be crystal clear on three things:<BR/>1) Christ will return.<BR/>2) Christ is pre-eminent.<BR/>3) It's dangerous to add to or subtract from the book of Revelation.<BR/><BR/>Thanks again.Martin LaBarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14629053725732957599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9661811.post-60422657108634393132008-11-07T19:13:00.000-05:002008-11-07T19:13:00.000-05:004 Hurting Christians comments: (On Obama now winni...4 Hurting Christians comments: (On Obama now winning US Election)<BR/>I think the Berlin speech did it for a lot of people, meaning if you watch Michael York in the end time films, on TBN, when you hear Obama address another country as fellow citizens of the world, one does wonder.<BR/><BR/>The point is, anyone who is born in to this world, not yet accepted Jesus, genuinely as saviour, born again spirit filled Christian is going to belong to the prince of this world, satan.<BR/>Also we look at what a man stands for, Obama apparently has made it no secret he is not pro-life, will allow a woman the right to murder her unborn child, so on.<BR/><BR/>Only time will tell, but God makes it clear in the Bible that this time He won't intervene like He did at the tower of babel and allow the one world global system to continue until it involves Israel in some massive way, a threat, then Yeshua (Jesus) will return and finally set up His kingdom.<BR/><BR/>So watch, if everyone, including around the world, leaders, start swooning as well over Obama, oh what a wonderful man and so on, one will wonder.<BR/>Personally more likely to be the False Prophet, as the first beast is clearly going to be the revived roman empire area, Europe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9661811.post-55543097047781705992008-11-01T06:32:00.000-04:002008-11-01T06:32:00.000-04:00November 1, 2008. No, I don't suppose you are.November 1, 2008. No, I don't suppose you are.Martin LaBarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14629053725732957599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9661811.post-84829544842441772902008-10-31T14:36:00.000-04:002008-10-31T14:36:00.000-04:00I am not the Antichrist.t75@freemail.huI am not the Antichrist.<BR/><BR/>t75@freemail.huAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9661811.post-43558330709824584742008-10-27T05:56:00.000-04:002008-10-27T05:56:00.000-04:00October 27, 2008.Thanks, weekend fisher.God help w...October 27, 2008.<BR/><BR/>Thanks, weekend fisher.<BR/><BR/>God help whichever one wins, and us.Martin LaBarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14629053725732957599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9661811.post-35315428532530320062008-10-27T00:27:00.000-04:002008-10-27T00:27:00.000-04:00Go get 'em, Martin! If we could have a short m...Go get 'em, Martin! If we could have a short moratorium on idiocy until we can figure out who the best president might be ... probably too much to ask. <BR/><BR/>Take care & God bless<BR/>Anne / WFWeekend Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10425001168670801073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9661811.post-62189852416341368922008-10-24T18:19:00.000-04:002008-10-24T18:19:00.000-04:00Nope. Thanks, patricia burns.Nope. Thanks, patricia burns.Martin LaBarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14629053725732957599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9661811.post-8652030210445553992008-10-24T16:53:00.000-04:002008-10-24T16:53:00.000-04:00We will not know the identities of the two beasts ...We will not know the identities of the two beasts of Revelation 13 until they ascend from the bottomless pit at the Fifth Trumpet.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Patricia (c) Bible Prophecy on the WebBible Prophecy on the Webhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03541821479915378677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9661811.post-964412826424512032008-10-24T05:55:00.000-04:002008-10-24T05:55:00.000-04:00Thank you both for your comments.I checked the lin...Thank you both for your comments.<BR/><BR/>I checked the link, GraceHead, and I don't understand it.Martin LaBarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14629053725732957599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9661811.post-79030421758667986262008-10-23T20:19:00.000-04:002008-10-23T20:19:00.000-04:00Keep preaching, Prof.I'm afraid some are so busy s...Keep preaching, Prof.<BR/><BR/>I'm afraid some are so busy shouting rumors that they can't hear.Keetha Broyleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07850398844489825600noreply@blogger.com